I used to enjoy yukon in comp, I'm pretty sure it'd be a disaster now but hey it was fun then

I was also the sicko who enjoyed gravelpit

I agree, for three main reasons:

1) Because invite is the 'face of the league', having cheaters there is just more harmful to the image of the scene, and therefore more urgent to deal with. It's the same reason why it's understandable for professionalism requirements (aliases, generally being respectful, etc) to be enforced as well; it's a two-way street.

2) In light of point 1, the RGL admins SHOULD have a more direct relationship with invite players already, and often do.

3) Frankly, I think cheaters in higher divs are as much better at disguising their cheats as players in higher divs are at playing the game. That's why you hear lots of suspicion about invite players but not as much blatant evidence. Even borderline invite/advanced cases like mxr and elijah were still less blatant to my eyes than some of the lower div cheaters we've seen. Like the most recent OMG thread, idk maybe it's just me, but I feel like that's a much quicker report to put together than one for the higher divs.

cs has money

I'll keep it a hundred with you, because a lot of people seem to facetiously egg you on at times. You haven't really demonstrated an ability to string well-written and coherent sentences together, nor the inclination to discuss storylines that do not entirely revolve around yourself. If you can grow in those areas, maybe RGL or tftv would let you write news articles for them.

I've heard this line of logic before:

Can we talk about how dumb it is for a second? The only way for the above to ever happen is if

1) there is a public witch hunt for a certain player

2) that player IS, in fact, cheating

You're saying that people posting public evidence that looks incredibly suspicious will lead to these players covering their tracks, and that this actually HAS made the process take longer. Meaning the witch hunt was correct AND that it was evidence of that level of suspicion that led to the ban in the end (if it was more blatant stuff, it doesn't make sense for the investigation to have slowed down by less blatant stuff being public). So then, the public should get more credit?

Putting aside the argument that having to be 100% certain is a little silly, how can you get from 99% to 100% if no new evidence is coming out? The AC people just rewatch the old stuff and change their mind? This is starting to sound a lot less rigorous and quantifiable.

Also, doesn't the point about 'allowing the suspicions to calm down' contradict the idea that public outrage has no effect on the speed of the process?

Honestly, it sounds like RGL is just running through the beats of what they're 'supposed' to say to defend their AC process without thinking through the implications. Please enlighten me if I am wrong about any of my assumptions here.

No one having good jumps, rollouts and movement even in invite

I could have been a god amongst men...

de_gravelpit

Ecclesiastes in general is the best written

I think anticheat admin should be a paid position, if it's logistically possible. It's too important for it not to be.

Also, this might be messed up to say, but I do think a degree of triage where the higher div complaints get examined first might be worthwhile, because it's a really bad representation for the game as a whole when people get caught cheating at a level where games are casted or discussed frequently on this forum

I understand that the AC team might be overtaxed, but I also don't think these ones were particularly close calls, I finally got around to watching the vids and whoo man you do not need to be a cheat expert to catch some of these guys

He won a bong from tftv

Nah, other way around for me. Keep driving bud, make it across the Oklahoma border.

I think some of the examples in this thread are definitely reductive in focusing on a single person rather than a more general trend

I suppose that's the point though, and I'm guilty of it too

led in part to me being academically dismissed from college for 18 months, something that still affects my job/grad school prospects to this day

fun fact: I played an esea match on this map that lasted for 2 hours and 30 minutes. on one map. if someone can find a longer one-map match in tf2 history, I'd be impressed.