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The Case for Elijah
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#31
66 Frags +

what an awful fucking thread

i swear none of you have actually bothered to read about how the "ban process" works. evidence for a suspicious player is submitted through the website (not always through a public forum!), the admins review the evidence, and act accordingly (ideally). just because no1 made a thread doesn't mean that evidence wasn't submitted privately on the website.

also

Phantomalso i agree i don't really play anymore so I didn't experience it first hand but from what I heard elijah did not seem like a cheater and they just banned him to be safe. knowing how bad rgl's admins are it's extremely possible

this is incredibly naive. do u know how long fenomeno played pugs before people realized he was cheating? atleast 3 months! and the only reason that happened was because he played so insanely wrong that someone thought it would be funny to watch his pov, then realized he was aimbotting.

as for the post itself, u have literally provided no reason for me to think that this person isn't cheating. this "bias" ur so afraid of has actually just made u seem incredibly biased in the opposite direction. ur obviously upset ur friend is banned, but as uni said neither u nor him are entitled to see any of the evidence the admins found worthy of a ban.

what an awful fucking thread

i swear none of you have actually bothered to read about how the "ban process" works. evidence for a suspicious player is submitted through the website (not always through a public forum!), the admins review the evidence, and act accordingly (ideally). just because no1 made a thread doesn't mean that evidence wasn't submitted privately on the website.

also
[quote=Phantom]
also i agree i don't really play anymore so I didn't experience it first hand but from what I heard elijah did not seem like a cheater and they just banned him to be safe. knowing how bad rgl's admins are it's extremely possible[/quote]
this is incredibly naive. do u know how long fenomeno played pugs before people realized he was cheating? atleast 3 months! and the only reason that happened was because he played so insanely wrong that someone thought it would be funny to watch his pov, then realized he was aimbotting.

as for the post itself, u have literally provided no reason for me to think that this person isn't cheating. this "bias" ur so afraid of has actually just made u seem incredibly biased in the opposite direction. ur obviously upset ur friend is banned, but as uni said neither u nor him are entitled to see any of the evidence the admins found worthy of a ban.
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#32
13 Frags +

He clearly didn't flick to the medic, his distance changed because of a teleport, if anything his mouse was moving away from the medic when it happened.

He clearly didn't flick to the medic, his distance changed because of a teleport, if anything his mouse was moving away from the medic when it happened.
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#33
7 Frags +
EntropyTFShiningStarEntropyTFYeah ok man what is suspicious about this?Flick to medic, in stv just looks like he lags.

Medic dies before he lags

[quote=EntropyTF][quote=ShiningStar][quote=EntropyTF][url=https://steamusercontent-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1773824104527624836/4705C33C1A690A6B15F465698550C6C70F02783C/]Yeah ok man [/url][/quote]
what is suspicious about this?[/quote]
Flick to medic, in [url=https://demos.tf/566557#76561198124005288]stv[/url] just looks like he lags.[/quote]

Medic dies before he lags
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#34
23 Frags +
EntropyTFShiningStarEntropyTFYeah ok man what is suspicious about this?Flick to medic, in stv just looks like he lags.

he lags in stv and in the live stream, i wonder what that means

[quote=EntropyTF][quote=ShiningStar][quote=EntropyTF][url=https://steamusercontent-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1773824104527624836/4705C33C1A690A6B15F465698550C6C70F02783C/]Yeah ok man [/url][/quote]
what is suspicious about this?[/quote]
Flick to medic, in [url=https://demos.tf/566557#76561198124005288]stv[/url] just looks like he lags.[/quote]
he lags in stv and in the live stream, i wonder what that means
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#35
8 Frags +
24it's the same situation every fucking season with another ban or bad decision, and RGL won't change because we complain on the forums about it.

urmphi, if you want to actually make a point to the team at RGL, just DM them, doesn't matter who. They may just tell you to fuck off, but it could perhaps give you some more insight in the ban.

like, there's just no hope left in making threads about stuff if no one cares to take this to RGL, they only care if they read it on their forums or their dms, and the very rare siutation when something fucked goes on and sigafoo has to come here and type an essay to us, but there's no in between.

I hope justification comes, but I won't hold my breath for it. I wish for the truth to come out of someone.

I appreciate the advice but if I were to go straight to the RGL admins all they would tell me is

Unicorn_WizardReleasing material/info that led to the ban is always a super bad idea because it gives cheaters an idea of what is safe/what the AC team is looking for.

Also enjoying watching the frags go up and down super fast

Elijah was also banned from the RGL discord making it even hard to contact admins.
https://imgur.com/a/XQap6Uq

[quote=24]it's the same situation every fucking season with another ban or bad decision, and RGL won't change because we complain on the forums about it.

urmphi, if you want to actually make a point to the team at RGL, just DM them, doesn't matter who. They may just tell you to fuck off, but it could perhaps give you some more insight in the ban.

like, there's just no hope left in making threads about stuff if no one cares to take this to RGL, they only care if they read it on their forums or their dms, and the very rare siutation when something fucked goes on and sigafoo has to come here and type an essay to us, but there's no in between.

I hope justification comes, but I won't hold my breath for it. I wish for the truth to come out of someone.[/quote]

I appreciate the advice but if I were to go straight to the RGL admins all they would tell me is

[quote=Unicorn_Wizard]Releasing material/info that led to the ban is always a super bad idea because it gives cheaters an idea of what is safe/what the AC team is looking for.

Also enjoying watching the frags go up and down super fast[/quote]

Elijah was also banned from the RGL discord making it even hard to contact admins.
https://imgur.com/a/XQap6Uq
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#36
tf2pickup.org
10 Frags +
urmphiSNIIP

RGL mirrors bans from site to discord, and vice-versa. That was to be expected.

I still say give it a shot, the more you put it off the worse it becomes.

Good luck, all.

[quote=urmphi]SNIIP[/quote]
RGL mirrors bans from site to discord, and vice-versa. That was to be expected.

I still say give it a shot, the more you put it off the worse it becomes.

Good luck, all.
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#37
8 Frags +

When it takes months to ban feno and seasons to ban mxr, I don't doubt that RGL found evidence of him cheating. Personally I don't really care what happens to him but giving people false cheating bans doesn't seem like something RGL would do.

When it takes months to ban feno and seasons to ban mxr, I don't doubt that RGL found evidence of him cheating. Personally I don't really care what happens to him but giving people false cheating bans doesn't seem like something RGL would do.
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#38
45 Frags +

if rgl was actually willing to ban people from outrage and forum posts mxr would not have made it to playoffs last season

if rgl was actually willing to ban people from outrage and forum posts mxr would not have made it to playoffs last season
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#39
9 Frags +

the paper says its trying not to be biased but the first paragraph is literally trashing rgl rofl

the paper says its trying not to be biased but the first paragraph is literally trashing rgl rofl
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#40
49 Frags +

ugc banned him 6 days before rgl and its not a mirrored ban meaning the ugc anticheat team also found him to be cheating which just legit invalidates like most of this shit lol
https://www.ugcleague.com/banlist_tf2.cfm#76561198124005288

ugc banned him 6 days before rgl and its not a mirrored ban meaning the ugc anticheat team also found him to be cheating which just legit invalidates like most of this shit lol
https://www.ugcleague.com/banlist_tf2.cfm#76561198124005288
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#41
97 Frags +

https://preview.redd.it/yqhb37aaz1241.jpg?auto=webp&s=a7af0359b70795581162997a4294e64d7aa720c5

[img]https://preview.redd.it/yqhb37aaz1241.jpg?auto=webp&s=a7af0359b70795581162997a4294e64d7aa720c5[/img]
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#42
3 Frags +

Elijah's a racist homophobic piece of shit that only pretends to be nice to your face if he wants something from you. He should be banned for that alone.

Elijah's a racist homophobic piece of shit that only pretends to be nice to your face if he wants something from you. He should be banned for that alone.
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#43
35 Frags +

im still losing my mind over the works cited page
he cited logs.tf

im still losing my mind over the works cited page
he cited logs.tf
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#44
41 Frags +

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#45
42 Frags +

'I submitted 800 demos' LOL

'I submitted 800 demos' LOL
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#46
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skazthis sounds a like great way for cheaters to learn how to hide their cheats

Evidence usually isn't provided because in other games an anti cheat software is used as evidence, not a demo review. Game companies don't release how their anti cheat is coded for obvious reasons. The difference between a good aimlock and a bad one is the good one is hidden from the anti cheat. A cheat isn't hidden because it's hidden from the naked eye. Neither RGL nor UGC use an anti cheat software. (RGL can't even code a pug system) Like urmphi said, its unqualified volunteers sifting through demos. There's no reason not to release the evidence.

[quote=skaz]this sounds a like great way for cheaters to learn how to hide their cheats[/quote]
Evidence usually isn't provided because in other games an anti cheat software is used as evidence, not a demo review. Game companies don't release how their anti cheat is coded for obvious reasons. The difference between a good aimlock and a bad one is the good one is hidden from the anti cheat. A cheat isn't hidden because it's hidden from the naked eye. Neither RGL nor UGC use an anti cheat software. (RGL can't even code a pug system) Like urmphi said, its unqualified volunteers sifting through demos. There's no reason not to release the evidence.
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#47
53 Frags +

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#48
-22 Frags +

if your alias is a first name u deserve perma ban

if your alias is a first name u deserve perma ban
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#49
-26 Frags +
FactsMachineElijah's a racist homophobic piece of shit that only pretends to be nice to your face if he wants something from you. He should be banned for that alone.

https://i.imgur.com/NvlB8yI.gif

[quote=FactsMachine]Elijah's a racist homophobic piece of shit that only pretends to be nice to your face if he wants something from you. He should be banned for that alone.[/quote]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/NvlB8yI.gif[/img]
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#50
-42 Frags +
FactsMachineElijah's a racist homophobic piece of shit that only pretends to be nice to your face if he wants something from you. He should be banned for that alone.

What are these lies. Before all of this no one thought elijah cheated intill he joined no name. I think he was just hanging out with the wrong people at the wrong time. Now he's serving a punishment for hanging out with those bad people. My man grinded in ugc and in rgl over and over he's winning tourneys constantly he's earned his way to the top. Rgl is just robbing this man of 2 years.

[quote=FactsMachine]Elijah's a racist homophobic piece of shit that only pretends to be nice to your face if he wants something from you. He should be banned for that alone.[/quote] What are these lies. Before all of this no one thought elijah cheated intill he joined no name. I think he was just hanging out with the wrong people at the wrong time. Now he's serving a punishment for hanging out with those bad people. My man grinded in ugc and in rgl over and over he's winning tourneys constantly he's earned his way to the top. Rgl is just robbing this man of 2 years.
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#51
39 Frags +
Young_SanityvFactsMachineElijah's a racist homophobic piece of shit that only pretends to be nice to your face if he wants something from you. He should be banned for that alone. What are these lies. Before all of this no one thought elijah cheated intill he joined no name. I think he was just hanging out with the wrong people at the wrong time. Now he's serving a punishment for hanging out with those bad people. My man grinded in ugc and in rgl over and over he's winning tourneys constantly he's earned his way to the top. Rgl is just robbing this man of 2 years.

looking at your post history you're basically defending bans on pedophiles so uh yikes!

[quote=Young_Sanityv][quote=FactsMachine]Elijah's a racist homophobic piece of shit that only pretends to be nice to your face if he wants something from you. He should be banned for that alone.[/quote] What are these lies. Before all of this no one thought elijah cheated intill he joined no name. I think he was just hanging out with the wrong people at the wrong time. Now he's serving a punishment for hanging out with those bad people. My man grinded in ugc and in rgl over and over he's winning tourneys constantly he's earned his way to the top. Rgl is just robbing this man of 2 years.[/quote]

looking at your post history you're basically defending bans on pedophiles so uh yikes!
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#52
refresh.tf
34 Frags +

There's a serious anti-cheater mentality in our leagues, especially with the anti-cheat admins.

It's even worse for people who have been caught in 4k and caught with VAC bans.

Terrible!

There's a serious anti-cheater mentality in our leagues, especially with the anti-cheat admins.

It's even worse for people who have been caught in 4k and caught with VAC bans.

Terrible!
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#53
35 Frags +

i wish all people who defend hackers a very unpleasant evening

i wish all people who defend hackers a very unpleasant evening
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#54
34 Frags +

The opinions of a months long investigation holds more infinitely weight than the opinions of individual players who "Just know he wouldn't cheat." Their arguments are irrelevant. People don't know their friends as well as they think they do. Eli is no exception. ANYONE can be a cheater, no matter how hardworking or smart they are.

The opinions of a months long investigation holds more infinitely weight than the opinions of individual players who "Just know he wouldn't cheat." Their arguments are irrelevant. People don't know their friends as well as they think they do. Eli is no exception. ANYONE can be a cheater, no matter how hardworking or smart they are.
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#55
56 Frags +

Why would RGL release "proof" when the excuses flowchart kicks in response every time:

1. It was lag
2. Lucky shot
3. I MGE all day
4. But can you prove I was cheating in that clip
5. People can vouch for me (???)
6. I improved (lol)

Why would RGL release "proof" when the excuses flowchart kicks in response every time:

1. It was lag
2. Lucky shot
3. I MGE all day
4. But can you prove I was cheating in that clip
5. People can vouch for me (???)
6. I improved (lol)
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#56
-4 Frags +
nikoi wish all people who defend hackers a very unpleasant evening

Same. but this isn't the case

[quote=niko]i wish all people who defend hackers a very unpleasant evening[/quote]

Same. but this isn't the case
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#57
newbie.tf
29 Frags +
funhaver1998if your alias is a first name u deserve perma ban

:(

[quote=funhaver1998]if your alias is a first name u deserve perma ban[/quote]
:(
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#58
10 Frags +

These are the threads that make checking tftv worth it.

These are the threads that make checking tftv worth it.
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#59
21 Frags +
MiG-21bisThe opinions of a months long investigation holds more infinitely weight than the opinions of individual players who "Just know he wouldn't cheat." Their arguments are irrelevant. People don't know their friends as well as they think they do. Eli is no exception. ANYONE can be a cheater, no matter how hardworking or smart they are.

You could substitute everything in the document with mxr and it would look exactly the same. I remember asking a bunch of people if they thought mxr cheated and they didn't think so and he put in a lot of time into the game as well.

I honestly feel like Young Sanity and urmphi are being manipulated and would rather believe that the anti-cheat team is incorrect than believe that they were betrayed by people they admired and believed they were friends with.

[quote=MiG-21bis]The opinions of a months long investigation holds more infinitely weight than the opinions of individual players who "Just know he wouldn't cheat." Their arguments are irrelevant. People don't know their friends as well as they think they do. Eli is no exception. ANYONE can be a cheater, no matter how hardworking or smart they are.[/quote]
You could substitute everything in the document with mxr and it would look exactly the same. I remember asking a bunch of people if they thought mxr cheated and they didn't think so and he put in a lot of time into the game as well.

I honestly feel like Young Sanity and urmphi are being manipulated and would rather believe that the anti-cheat team is incorrect than believe that they were betrayed by people they admired and believed they were friends with.
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#60
31 Frags +
DiscordMiG-21bisThe opinions of a months long investigation holds more infinitely weight than the opinions of individual players who "Just know he wouldn't cheat." Their arguments are irrelevant. People don't know their friends as well as they think they do. Eli is no exception. ANYONE can be a cheater, no matter how hardworking or smart they are.You could substitute everything in the document with mxr and it would look exactly the same. I remember asking a bunch of people if they thought mxr cheated and they didn't think so and he put in a lot of time into the game as well.

I honestly feel like Young Sanity and urmphi are being manipulated and would rather believe that the anti-cheat team is incorrect than believe that they were betrayed by people they admired and believed they were friends with.

you're high if you genuinely believe that he did not know his teammates weren't cheating

[quote=Discord][quote=MiG-21bis]The opinions of a months long investigation holds more infinitely weight than the opinions of individual players who "Just know he wouldn't cheat." Their arguments are irrelevant. People don't know their friends as well as they think they do. Eli is no exception. ANYONE can be a cheater, no matter how hardworking or smart they are.[/quote]
You could substitute everything in the document with mxr and it would look exactly the same. I remember asking a bunch of people if they thought mxr cheated and they didn't think so and he put in a lot of time into the game as well.

I honestly feel like Young Sanity and urmphi are being manipulated and would rather believe that the anti-cheat team is incorrect than believe that they were betrayed by people they admired and believed they were friends with.[/quote]
you're high if you genuinely believe that he did not know his teammates weren't cheating
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